VIM3L - Opening Up New Possibilities for DIY-HTPC Enthusiasts

I don’t think that USB-C is used as widely as some may think.

However, a cable and adapter is easily sourced locally.

The only potential problem could be, from what I’ve read about some of the horrors of USB-C that third party products can be dangerous.

I would consider leaving the remote out and substituting it or again, leave users to source something more useful locally as I think that so many remotes get left in the box because they are plainly not that useful and this is also a typical comment from many reviewers of boxes/sbc’s.

My biggest concern is with regards to staying in neolithic times with having the USB 2.0 port. This kind of thing should have 2 x USB 3.0 as standard. 2.0 should be left in the dark ages unless there is a need for an OTG for flashing etc, in which case it can be micro USB.

The Beelink GT King has 2 3.0 and 1 2.0 ports, which, whilst not as good as the N2, is still better than the VIM3 and this. It’s just counter productive to have all this new technology, slowed up by outdated tech.

I also think that the GPIO pins are unnecessary and by getting rid of them, you could have a smaller board that could go into a smaller housing and save cost.

The M.2 2280 NVMe SSD Supported slot is one of the most exciting aspects of the board as it means that you can add large storage, which could open up the possibilities for multi boot OS’s and lots of storage all from one source, although judging by the design, I’d question how easy it will be to attach one that will fit in the case.

The 16Mb SPI will also potentially be useful for using Petitboot for multi OS usage. I would plan Android/Linux/Coreelec.

Pricing is going to be critical and if, like Hardkernel, your shipping is only via fast courier such as DHL, then a lot of people are going to be put off by customs duties and courier handling charges on top.

There is also the increasing competition with the new S905X3 boxes that are starting to roll out and as I predict, the lowering of S922X products because many consider them just a bit too expensive when for not that much more they can get the infinitely more powerful Nvidia Shield, which has an updated model imminent, which also means that there is going to be a mass clearout of existing models, which will, for a period, have lower pricing, which in turn will also lower the second hand value, which is extraordinarily good at the moment.

It will be interesting to see some performance matchups and I would recommend going the whole gamut and compare to A311D, S922X (rev B), S905X2 and S905X3. Might even be worth adding the old King, the S912, so that people can really get a feel of what upgrading to the S905D3 will look like at least in synthetic test environment.

Personally I’d consider going back to the drawing board and come up with something that is essentially a ready made box, just for HTPC, rather than using the same reference design for your SBC’s.

You might be able to save on one aspect in order to provide another that has more practical use.

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I’ve been using my VIM3L in passive cooling mode, just the New VIM Heatsink + Thick Heat Pad + Metal Plate + DIY Case, so there’s cooling from both-sides of the PCB.

I found that if I place the VIM3L on a wooden table, it gets warm, maybe 50-60C (didn’t test, just used my hand)…but if I place it on the Mac Mini’s aluminum shell, temps drop to 40-45C (just slightly warm).

So what I feel is that the metal plate is only effective if you have a large metal surface to plonk your SBC onto. :smile:

That said, overall VIM3L does run cooler than VIM3. However I was only running the stock Android 9, playing with the Plex Client, ProtonVPN, watching some YouTube, Minecraft, Chrome browsing, Kodi…I didn’t have to install Linux, since just using it as a HTPC Android is good enough!

Good feedback, thank you @Ozarks!

At the same time we’re aiming to release something like a DIY-HTPC, which is in-between the “Super Simple TV Box” and the “Super Expensive / High Performance SBC”.

So firstly, it can be used as a TV Box, and secondly, it can also be used for development.

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I was looking at the data sheet for the chipset and the VIM3 datasheet, and the VIM3 has the 9th generation of Trulife Image Ingine and for the VIM3L only has the 8th generation of the Trulife Image Ingine, since the VIM3L has the newer chipset you would think it would have an updated specs but to actually go downward especially to use this specifically for an HTPC, you definitely want the newest specs, especially for watching videos.

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@Jaffac it’s available on the shop (for pre-order) now: https://www.khadas.com/shop-vim3

We will ship out before 30th October! :slight_smile:

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Metal Plate (for DIY Case) - No need.
Be sure to include a power supply with cable. It should not be a semi-finished product, but a completely ready-to-use device. For those who do not need a part of the component - let them order themselves individually any configuration.

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I agree with this, but also fan is needed for the videophiles who only watch in FHD and 4k.

As per my point of view, I think we need to have a standard HTPC Stock OS instead of Android. I have tested some options like the Android TV supplied by the x96 Mini was very user friendly with good GUI and also a proprietary Station OS was good but that’s a different case.

Why not supply direct users with Android TV with Important apps pre-installed like in the current android version instead of AOSP android which is very hard to use without keyboard and mouse.

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Yes got to ask @Gouwa about that again.

Android TV must be under license to preinstalled for us, some vendors like x96 Mini might not follow the rules, but for us cannot.

We tried to apply the Widevine L1 for the VIM3L, but still haven’t got any response from Google at the moment :slight_smile:

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That’s a good news for tall the Netflix users :smiley: Hope to get positive response from Google.

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As an early tester for the VIM3L, I have to disagree, the VIM3L does not run as hot the VIM3 (2 less cores) and the metal plate is not needed for this product in my opinion, idle is at 42c with no heatsink.

On a separate note I think everybody has a USB charger available that can be used and with an emphasis on e-Waste I do not think including one is necessary.

I do think including a USB-A->USB-C lead would be appropriate for any kit though.

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You can now choose to add the 10W USB Adapter + USB Cable to the HTPC Kit - hopefully this will help to alleviate e-waste :smile:

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hello
Is this board going to have the same broadcom chip as the VIM3, the one without working linux drivers?
.

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Well that’s a good question :smiley:
As per the Specifications above this the module which is the same as VIM3, So the answer is Yes.

Wi-Fi AP6398S Module
802.11a/b/g/n/ac, 2X2 MIMO with RSDB

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Yes, same wi-fi module with VIM3, and currently only work on Linux 4.9 but not mainline linux.

BTW, all the difference between the VIM3L and VIM3 are listed as red circled part below:

Gpio pinout suport vtv board. ? can we use hw ts interface

Sorry, cannot, the vTV board can only work on VIM2.

Hi @Gouwa, i read " VIM3L + Tone Board + Volumio = Hi-Fi Audio Player." on the https://www.khadas.com/vim3l page.
Do we get to develop such a version or did someone already do this
:wink:

But with this one we’re interested, best regards

Volumio OS developer

Yes, we have a plan to do that.

BTW, our team inside also discussing that if we should add more audio features like Dolby Digital (Plus) and DTS features for VIM3L.

May I know more information of you and we are happy to provide free samples to early developers.

Thanks!

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But it’s good to make it clear that it can work with TBS or another external usb tuner, using CoreELEC + crazycat drivers.@takitr
Powered through an externally powered usb hub.
Remember well only works with CoreELEC
LibreELEC no

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